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	<title>Comments on: Online teaching is the future?</title>
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	<description>Daniel Lemire's blog is about life in academia, research in Computer Science, wondering how we can reconcile fast databases and algorithms with the informal and asemantic nature of the world around us. It is broadcasted from Montreal (Canada).</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.daniel-lemire.com/blog/archives/2008/02/27/online-teaching-is-the-future/#comment-49749</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daniel, I don't assume that it doesn't work; I think it works quite well.  I do think that, for most (not all) people, it doesn't _yet_ work as well as the _best_ offline alternatives.  I suspect most people would prefer to go to Harvard than to any institution based on an online model. But I think this will change as the sort of changes you talk about in your post are made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daniel, I don&#8217;t assume that it doesn&#8217;t work; I think it works quite well.  I do think that, for most (not all) people, it doesn&#8217;t _yet_ work as well as the _best_ offline alternatives.  I suspect most people would prefer to go to Harvard than to any institution based on an online model. But I think this will change as the sort of changes you talk about in your post are made.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Lemire</title>
		<link>http://www.daniel-lemire.com/blog/archives/2008/02/27/online-teaching-is-the-future/#comment-49747</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Lemire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, you seem to assume that it does not work, right now, as well as classroom teaching. It does! Online learning works. I learn online every single day.


My information retrieval course, for example, is every bit as hard as any undergraduate course you would find in any top university. I get a satisfaction rate of about 95%: 95% of the students would recommend the course to their peers. Overwhelmingly, the students say that they have learned a lot. 

Are there problems? Yes. But unless you had great lecturers throughout your education, you should admit that many times, classroom teaching fails. And it often fails miserably. At least, when the content is online, the students can see that it is not going to work quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, you seem to assume that it does not work, right now, as well as classroom teaching. It does! Online learning works. I learn online every single day.</p>
<p>My information retrieval course, for example, is every bit as hard as any undergraduate course you would find in any top university. I get a satisfaction rate of about 95%: 95% of the students would recommend the course to their peers. Overwhelmingly, the students say that they have learned a lot. </p>
<p>Are there problems? Yes. But unless you had great lecturers throughout your education, you should admit that many times, classroom teaching fails. And it often fails miserably. At least, when the content is online, the students can see that it is not going to work quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Lemire</title>
		<link>http://www.daniel-lemire.com/blog/archives/2008/02/27/online-teaching-is-the-future/#comment-49746</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Lemire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, see my last paragraph. It begins with sufficient bandwidth and latency.

What is, fundamentally, the difference between a face-to-face meeting and our current electronic exchange? Bandwidth and latency.

Distance learning, where you get a book and study by yourself, has existed since -- since Gutenberg.... But books have terrible latency. Most authors never answer when you ask a question. Some people have learned Physics on their own with books and articles, that has always been possible... but it is a difficult process because the feedback loop is very long. You may study 4 years, then attempt to publish your first article and... it gets rejected... that's tough.

Bandwidth is also very important for motivation. You can't tell right now whether I am upset or pleased by your comment. If you could see and hear me, all these non-verbal indicators would be there -- assuming we share some cultural background. You are missing bandwidth. This may leave you to assume the worst: that I am annoyed at you and you may decided never to write to me again. Students tend to stick with a course if they feel that you care... but how do you convey feelings without bandwidth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, see my last paragraph. It begins with sufficient bandwidth and latency.</p>
<p>What is, fundamentally, the difference between a face-to-face meeting and our current electronic exchange? Bandwidth and latency.</p>
<p>Distance learning, where you get a book and study by yourself, has existed since &#8212; since Gutenberg&#8230;. But books have terrible latency. Most authors never answer when you ask a question. Some people have learned Physics on their own with books and articles, that has always been possible&#8230; but it is a difficult process because the feedback loop is very long. You may study 4 years, then attempt to publish your first article and&#8230; it gets rejected&#8230; that&#8217;s tough.</p>
<p>Bandwidth is also very important for motivation. You can&#8217;t tell right now whether I am upset or pleased by your comment. If you could see and hear me, all these non-verbal indicators would be there &#8212; assuming we share some cultural background. You are missing bandwidth. This may leave you to assume the worst: that I am annoyed at you and you may decided never to write to me again. Students tend to stick with a course if they feel that you care&#8230; but how do you convey feelings without bandwidth?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.daniel-lemire.com/blog/archives/2008/02/27/online-teaching-is-the-future/#comment-49745</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly agree you don't need the physical presence of a Professor.  But most people do need other people to talk to, ask questions of, and so on.  For that reason, I think a major part of really making online learning work as well or better than the traditional approach is going to be the development of social institutions (local meetups, online fora, assignments, exams, and so on) to accompany the basic course materials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly agree you don&#8217;t need the physical presence of a Professor.  But most people do need other people to talk to, ask questions of, and so on.  For that reason, I think a major part of really making online learning work as well or better than the traditional approach is going to be the development of social institutions (local meetups, online fora, assignments, exams, and so on) to accompany the basic course materials.</p>
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